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Podcast 039: Jonathan Rowson and “A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life”

by EW

From Perspectiva: “Jonathan is co-founder and Director of Perspectiva. He was previously Director of the Social Brain Centre at the RSA where he authored a range of influential research reports on behaviour change, climate change and spirituality, and curated and chaired a range of related events. Jonathan is an applied philosopher with degrees from Oxford, Harvard and Bristol Universities. In a former life he was a chess Grandmaster and British Champion (2004–6) and views the game as a continuing source of insight and inspiration. His book, The Moves that Matter – A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life was published by Bloomsbury in 2019.”

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**This episode was recorded on January 26, 2021**

JONATHAN ROWSON LINKS
“The Moves that Matter – A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life”: https://amzn.to/3l0eRcT
Jonathan Rowson on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Rowson

OTHER RESOURCES
Perspectiva: https://systems-souls-society.com
Emerge: http://www.whatisemerging.com
Tasting the Pickle: Ten flavours of meta-crisis and the appetite for a new civilisation: https://systems-souls-society.com/tasting-the-pickle-ten-flavours-of-meta-crisis-and-the-appetite-for-a-new-civilisation/
Interview with Jordan Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD-VCRNIp-U
Essay on Jordan Peterson: https://jonathanrowson.medium.com/cultural-indigestion-what-we-learned-and-failed-to-learn-from-jordan-petersons-rise-to-fame-9c717b3f4148
Anthony Magnabosco Street Epistemology YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/magnabosco210
Interview with Vanessa Dylyn on “The Divided Brain”: https://ericwhte.com/podcast-027-vanessa-dylyn-and-the-divided-brain-documentary/

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Welcome
02:13 Introducing Jonathan Rowson
06:18 From Chess Grandmaster to founding Perspectiva
16:59 Orienting yourself in the right way when asking big questions
26:50 Being stuck in our current ways
35:36 Cleaning your own room and Jordan Peterson
41:03 Crisis of imagination and the pace of change
50:33 What is Perspectiva focused on?
54:41 The “anti-debate” and improving dialogue
1:01:53 Education, conspiracy theories and truth
1:10:13 Final thoughts